Here's a tip for ya,

DON'T EAT YELLOW SNOW




Oh.... ok... Hows that working out for ya Quote

One of the comments that I read here was trying to relate a grey user to a quote " beggar" or quote " retard"

A grey user is not those things.

A grey user can become sometimes "excited" by what they see just as a yellow or white user, and they might proceed to start to ask the model to see more.

They are allowed to do those things.



That is within their right to do so.

It does not mean that they are a retard or that they are a "beggar"



It means that first off they do not know the rules of the site which state " no nudity in free chat."
It also means that they are simply enjoying themselves, they like the model, they want to see more, they are having fun. Period.


Maybe they dont know english.
There are people from all around the world that come to watch the models online.



Grey users need to start getting more respect. Everyone was a grey user before they turned into members.

So let them be " excited" as much as possible. It is what turns the room into an exciting place to be as well.

When I first started working the chat scroll was moving so fast that I couldn't even keep up with it.
It was moving so fast that it was impossible to read.
That is how many grey users and members there were.

I had to rewind it and back up and look at what everyone was saying.


Naturally that is what happens when your a new model. But this is what VS is trying to make happen on a larger scale or is considering trying to make happen......

The excitement.. The talking. That is what gets the room going.

The more people in the room , the better the ingredients are for a possible candidate or should I say a possible Member to take you PRIVATE.

Also on a side note.

Would love to see a minimum tip "law" of 205 credits for nudity,,, That would be awesome. lolz

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Brad this is a great idea . It really saddens me that the same 10-20 people who comment on every feature idea for Flirt endorse the bad ones that the rest of the site comes to despise and frown upon the good, revenue generating ones like this. Yes there would be "beggars", but Brad I read your response to that and that looks like it will be very effective.

Everyone has a fear of change, it's the unknown, or "the dark", people panic when they don't know whats going to happen, but members have to remember that this is a business, and the cam industry has sites taking bounds into the future, Flirt can't stand still or it will drop off the map.

The way some of these members speak its as if they think Flirt is the only camsite there is, or they soley come here (which is great). (Everyone has heard once or twice that VS calls Flirt it's "Flagship") But members on multiple sites are hearing Flirt referred to time and time again recently as "the sinking ship".

The insanely strict nudity rules for publicchat are mostly what lead to that. This system would put F4F back into the race plain and simple, and if it's done right, maybe even win Flirt it's title as #1 Camsite back in the minds of users.

(Yeah I know the last part about ships was harsh lol, but the idea team needs to hear the truth, as it is talked about in rooms "Yes Brad" "We Love You Brad" "Brad you need a highschool named after you" to EVERY idea doesn't show the company the truth, or even opinions, of the community as a whole. ) Quote

Why settle for a 911 flirt needs to be striving to be the Bugatti Veyron ofcam sites.



Don't tease me Suggs!
hehe Quote

we all know this idea is going to be adopted regardless of what feedback we post which is unfortunate. If a model chooses to work under these conditions then that's their decision but I don't want to see models I've built a relationship with whoring themselves out as a means of survival on the site.

If you really think the new business that this idea will bring to the site is going to lead to an increase in 1 on 1 privates then I think you badly misreading the market. Next time your researching these other sites actually take note of the conversations in each room and tell me how many of the topics of conversations cover artists, authors, books, movies and music etc which take place here on flirt at the moment. instead you have topics like 50 for tits 100 for pussy etc. then in these rooms every 2nd message is about getting a peek or negotiating a deal.

We know the rules on flirt and we abide by them as do the models and the only ones complaining are the ones that don't pay.

Here's a crazy idea, if you're so concerned about generating more money for performers how about the site take less of a cut for the performers work? Crazy I know. Quote

Here's a tip for ya,

DON'T EAT YELLOW SNOW




LOL


...Buy low, sell high Quote

Hi..................I know i'm not a VS programmer or anything. Having said that. I'm just going to throw out a quick stat that might sound cocky but oh well. I've done 2,800 shows here.

But thats not my point.

So I think i'm to the point now where i've done so many shows that I know what customers like. And I know what gets them going. And I know what gets grey users going for the most part. Relatively speaking. And with regards to my chat room. I'm NOT saying i'm the best model here. I am simply throwing out a pretty accurate statistic regarding myself here.

I'll get to the point in a minute, just wait.



So to sum up that first section. I think I might know just a " tad" about how the site operates and just a " tad" also on how to convert grey users and convert members into going " private."


I know how to create a " tease atmosphere" that almost gives the user no option other then to go private to see " more."

And i'm just throwing out all this information for a reason that i'll get to in a second.

So I'm just going to say if I was a programmer at VS. Which i'm not and I know that but we are all giving ideas right? Someone went through and did a little scenario on here many of times.

Well if I was a programmer and we are currently going to implement the " TIPPING"

then.

Directions::

1)* Maximize " TEASE FACTOR"

2)* Minimize " FREE NUDITY"

3) In order to create maximum " TEASE FACTOR" All free nudity has to be hidden, in order to give customer "maximum reason" to tip you to see nudity.

Put VODs on " Pause" meaning take them off the pages but keep them somewhere in case tipping doesn't work out. But it looks like tipping will work.

4) It kind of defeats the purpose to do "tipping" and VODs at the same time i personally believe.
So either "clipping" the VODS or Pausing them would be sufficient.( meaning taking them off models homepages but keeping them somewhere where they can be retrieved)
**
And remember this is just all in my own personal opinion and mind.

5) The main room would be full of greys and BASIC members all looking to see nudity right there. Some rooms will have over 2,400 people in them. The profile pages would stay the same other then one unique rule. No free nudity within personal pictures. Because remember its all about maximizing fantasies and the "tease factor."

6) The customer decides to give you a tip of which the minimum is 205 credits so he/she decides to give you 245 credits to see some nudity, because he is a good customer and he likes the performer...Alot!

7) Performer sees tip. Says " thanks" Proceeds to get nude...... Does whatever the customer wants for a given time determined by the performer. The given time can last anywhere from a minute to a max of only 9mins. If the nudity lasts anymore then 9 mins then the performer is just hurting themselves. Because someone new just showed up to the site willing to give a tip for nudity. But the performer went over the 9min limit and is now giving the new customer who " was" going to give them a tip, a free show. But when customer ends current show. The new customer can always tip to continue to see nudity.


8) A brand new customer named Steve shows up and says to performer that he wants to go to the " Ultra Vip room" So that way just the customer and performer are in the " Ultra vip room"

9) Main room of chatters see a curtain go up. And say wow someone just went to " Ultra vip room"

10) Ultra vip rooms current price is 451 credits just to get in.

11) Then once in ultra vip room, and remember it doesnt have to be called ultra. The customer pays the initial fee but then the room is based on a CPM value of anywhere between 60 credits per min to 80 CPM just to stay in the ultra vip room. .... So then, the customer named Steve decides to leave the regular 60-80 (CPM) credit per minute room after Steve is satisfied with the results of the private show.

(Then... just wait it gets better)

12) Both customer and performer go back to the main room where the greys and members are. And the room starts to fill up again. A series of tippings continue for another hour or so. And then another Ultra Vip room customer shows up and wants to do another Ultra VIP room show.

13) Regular users can tip anywhere from the minimum of 205(( i know thats alot) remember i'm just giving my own personal views of what i would love to see)) to upwards of 2,000 credits in a single press of a button. You keep the higher end that high for the high spenders that like it.

14) Or maybe put the limit at 5,010 credits for the maximum " TIP"

15) This can work.

16) So now the lesson in review. There is a main room and just one Ultra Vip Room where once a customer enters then they go back to paying 60-80 (CPM) credits per min to stay in the ultra vip room. But remember Ultra is 451 credits just to get into. Which is the equivalent of 45 dollars.

So this will give the ones that say they like the model alot something to show the model that they appreciate them so very much. And would love to get to know them more in a Ultra Vip Chat room.

So if the customer likes the model that much then i'm sure they would spend the money to get that one on one experience with the model and without anyone peeping in on your show or anything. But your going to have to pay a hefty sum to get to the Ultra Vip Chat room. Which is going to make the room " unique" and give the room " value."

The credit values might be a bit high but remember this is just my own personal opinion of what I would like to see done.
I keep repeating that. Just so everyone makes sure that they know that this is the general direction that I would love to see "TIPPING" go..
Thanks

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I'm just wondering John, out of your 2,800 privates how many of those people do you actually value the time spent with? or is it all about the money?

This is the major issue with this idea and one that is continuously ignored when people try and justify it. Quote

I posted in the other forum that if I am going to do a private with a model anyway---maybe a quick flash of the goods MIGHT entice another member to join in the show, voyeur or give a tip and it MIGHT NOT. However, I would give the model a tip so that its not show for free.

As far as JJ's tip/credit system that seems a little high which again would put it out of the reach of many members thus nullifying the intent.

Ultra VIP---Flirt already has that its called Premiere (70 to 120 cpm) and no grays can enter. Besides, models who are in premiere obviously are doing something right if they don't have to show anything to get a private.

Again you are talking expensive which would price it out for most members. If you want to sell more of something you have to price it where everyone can afford to participate--basic economics Quote

Not necessary Suggs...John Jay is bringing up very valid points. VS is listening to all our feedback...contrary to what some of you may believe. Its not like VS is forcing the performers to do anything they don't want to do. Its up to us how we run our room. I wish some of you would stop putting all greys together as beggars and freeloaders. I'm in premiere so I don't get greys in my room...but I can say that there are just as many white and gold members that beg as well...all the time. And guess what...people already lurk in open chat jerkin it for free so its not like thats anything new and thats something that will always exist. I hate hearing that people think this would make us look "cheap" or that people don't want to see models "whore" themselves out. Its up to the model how she wants to come across to the users and what kind of image she wants to put out there. There are many models on the "other site" that still do not go all out in open chat...because its their choice just as it would be here. Many don't take change too well...but something needs to be done to increase the traffic on the site.

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If you read the post where i first mentioned 'freeloading lurkers' properly i did not say thay were only greys. That was john interpreting my comment. I know there are greys that are articulate and polite, as well as whites AND golds that beg and act like arseholes.

Ya know what i've had my say. although we all know the feedback will be ignored by vs as they will foist any and all changes on us no matter what. All vs care about is the dollar / pound / euro / peso that is in your pocket.

Here endeth my contribution to this thread. Quote

I'm just wondering John, out of your 2,800 privates how many of those people do you actually value the time spent with? or is it all about the money?

This is the major issue with this idea and one that is continuously ignored when people try and justify it.



Chili as a member who has been in John's room I can say that he shows nothing except the side of his hip and maybe a hand in free. Personally, I don't see what makes people go private with him because anytime I've been in his room he says hello and then seemingly ignores members. Sorry but I only private models who respond in free---and I am not talking show this or do this--but making an initial connection that makes me want to go further.

My reasoning is--if a model is unresponsive in free how do I know they'll be responsive in private? Quote

And just to make sure things are clear Suggs...the rest of my post wasn't directed towards only you Quote

1 - John Jay has hijacked this thread to promote tipping
Reality of the prices he stated last
People can tip 1 token there . Recommented to tip 10 tokens or higher . Most do tip 10 and not only 1
ONLY the models who use personality to connect get tips over 100 without doing extreme sex acts in open .


2 - The site that uses this model has the most videos posted of the models everywhere
1000 members in a room - gaurantee someone will record and post it .
Mean no area of the world will be blocked as thier family and friends discover way too much


3 - Actual stats of another place
Models on line 642
Models in private 9
Models in group 7

16 models getting paid . 626 scrambing to be more outragoues to collect tips in open
Less than 10% of the models will break 1000 credits before they quit for the day no matter what they do .
Another place has many "crashes" and is normal there . Staying on line 23 out of 24 hours is acceptable . Interuptions of shows in open or paid is normal .


4 - Some models will leave .
Members are loyal more to models than a site


5 - ALWAYS a meeting point .
Not sure where that is


6 - The end of an era where there is a connection between member and model
Impossible to know the model being 1 of 1000 unless some connection before


7 - Models will need to email Brad and tell thier thoughts and what THEY want
99% of the members visit to see the models
Happy models = happier members who keep returning


8 - What is next ?
The other place has had models do incest to try to make tokens with underage people
Baseball bats , fruit , etc has been inserted to try to earn tips
It seems to be a "circus attmosphere" and freak show a lot of the time


9 - This is a discussion . ALL points of view is valid . Noone has to agree with other people .
Discussion allows people to tell and add to what has been said


10 - This is a profit site . This site has been here OVER 14 years
Very rare of ANY type of site
I hope Management will take a few weeks
Visit the other site and use what helps . See what never works there .

Happy discussions .
Party on with your favorite model/models






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Hi..................I know i'm not a VS programmer or anything. Having said that. I'm just going to throw out a quick stat that might sound cocky but oh well. I've done 2,800 shows here.

But thats not my point.

So I think i'm to the point now where i've done so many shows that I know what customers like. And I know what gets them going. And I know what gets grey users going for the most part. Relatively speaking. And with regards to my chat room. I'm NOT saying i'm the best model here. I am simply throwing out a pretty accurate statistic regarding myself here.

I'll get to the point in a minute, just wait.



So to sum up that first section. I think I might know just a " tad" about how the site operates and just a " tad" also on how to convert grey users and convert members into going " private."


I know how to create a " tease atmosphere" that almost gives the user no option other then to go private to see " more."

And i'm just throwing out all this information for a reason that i'll get to in a second.

So I'm just going to say if I was a programmer at VS. Which i'm not and I know that but we are all giving ideas right? Someone went through and did a little scenario on here many of times.

Well if I was a programmer and we are currently going to implement the " TIPPING"

then.

Directions::

1)* Maximize " TEASE FACTOR"

2)* Minimize " FREE NUDITY"

3) In order to create maximum " TEASE FACTOR" All free nudity has to be hidden, in order to give customer "maximum reason" to tip you to see nudity.

Put VODs on " Pause" meaning take them off the pages but keep them somewhere in case tipping doesn't work out. But it looks like tipping will work.

4) It kind of defeats the purpose to do "tipping" and VODs at the same time i personally believe.
So either "clipping" the VODS or Pausing them would be sufficient.( meaning taking them off models homepages but keeping them somewhere where they can be retrieved)
**
And remember this is just all in my own personal opinion and mind.

5) The main room would be full of greys and BASIC members all looking to see nudity right there. Some rooms will have over 2,400 people in them. The profile pages would stay the same other then one unique rule. No free nudity within personal pictures. Because remember its all about maximizing fantasies and the "tease factor."

6) The customer decides to give you a tip of which the minimum is 205 credits so he/she decides to give you 245 credits to see some nudity, because he is a good customer and he likes the performer...Alot!

7) Performer sees tip. Says " thanks" Proceeds to get nude...... Does whatever the customer wants for a given time determined by the performer. The given time can last anywhere from a minute to a max of only 9mins. If the nudity lasts anymore then 9 mins then the performer is just hurting themselves. Because someone new just showed up to the site willing to give a tip for nudity. But the performer went over the 9min limit and is now giving the new customer who " was" going to give them a tip, a free show. But when customer ends current show. The new customer can always tip to continue to see nudity.


8) A brand new customer named Steve shows up and says to performer that he wants to go to the " Ultra Vip room" So that way just the customer and performer are in the " Ultra vip room"

9) Main room of chatters see a curtain go up. And say wow someone just went to " Ultra vip room"

10) Ultra vip rooms current price is 451 credits just to get in.

11) Then once in ultra vip room, and remember it doesnt have to be called ultra. The customer pays the initial fee but then the room is based on a CPM value of anywhere between 60 credits per min to 80 CPM just to stay in the ultra vip room. .... So then, the customer named Steve decides to leave the regular 60-80 (CPM) credit per minute room after Steve is satisfied with the results of the private show.

(Then... just wait it gets better)

12) Both customer and performer go back to the main room where the greys and members are. And the room starts to fill up again. A series of tippings continue for another hour or so. And then another Ultra Vip room customer shows up and wants to do another Ultra VIP room show.

13) Regular users can tip anywhere from the minimum of 205(( i know thats alot) remember i'm just giving my own personal views of what i would love to see)) to upwards of 2,000 credits in a single press of a button. You keep the higher end that high for the high spenders that like it.

14) Or maybe put the limit at 5,010 credits for the maximum " TIP"

15) This can work.

16) So now the lesson in review. There is a main room and just one Ultra Vip Room where once a customer enters then they go back to paying 60-80 (CPM) credits per min to stay in the ultra vip room. But remember Ultra is 451 credits just to get into. Which is the equivalent of 45 dollars.

So this will give the ones that say they like the model alot something to show the model that they appreciate them so very much. And would love to get to know them more in a Ultra Vip Chat room.

So if the customer likes the model that much then i'm sure they would spend the money to get that one on one experience with the model and without anyone peeping in on your show or anything. But your going to have to pay a hefty sum to get to the Ultra Vip Chat room. Which is going to make the room " unique" and give the room " value."

The credit values might be a bit high but remember this is just my own personal opinion of what I would like to see done.
I keep repeating that. Just so everyone makes sure that they know that this is the general direction that I would love to see "TIPPING" go..
Thanks





Believe it or not, John, some models are here for more than just the money. It's the open room experience that keeps me here, I LOVE to entertain! Yes it helps put food on my table, but I also have other sources of income and truly enjoy what I do here.
Visit some of the top models' rooms and you will see that some of the most titillating teases can be in full dress discussing art and travel...

Personality trumps pussy any day of the week. PERIOD. (or cock in your case..)


Greed is nothing more than a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy without ever reaching satisfaction.
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8 - What is next ?
The other place has had models do incest to try to make tokens with underage people
Baseball bats , fruit , etc has been inserted to try to earn tips
It seems to be a "circus attmosphere" and freak show a lot of the time





All valid points brother Bartskyyyyyy, but its not like this site is immune to the circus envioroment. Numerous times on the daily vod's there have been pee and poo shows . And a member once posted his phone# in a chatroom and someone in the room called that # and found out that the person was in fact underage using his parents cc#. So just because this site is suppose to be" A cut above the rest" doesn't mean their shit don't stink to Quote

we all know this idea is going to be adopted regardless of what feedback we post which is unfortunate. If a model chooses to work under these conditions then that's their decision but I don't want to see models I've built a relationship with whoring themselves out as a means of survival on the site.

If you really think the new business that this idea will bring to the site is going to lead to an increase in 1 on 1 privates then I think you badly misreading the market. Next time your researching these other sites actually take note of the conversations in each room and tell me how many of the topics of conversations cover artists, authors, books, movies and music etc which take place here on flirt at the moment. instead you have topics like 50 for tits 100 for pussy etc. then in these rooms every 2nd message is about getting a peek or negotiating a deal.

We know the rules on flirt and we abide by them as do the models and the only ones complaining are the ones that don't pay.

Here's a crazy idea, if you're so concerned about generating more money for performers how about the site take less of a cut for the performers work? Crazy I know.


He never mentione 1-on-1 experience in this topic, only the repliers have. Because no it won't lead to more 1-on-1s, but more money, yes. That is what the site as a business looks for. Sure the handful of members who post in every thread on the forum love that aspect, I have to to some extent, but 1-on-1 isn't what has become popular with the rest of the cam industry, giant groups viewing at once has.

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I'm really trying to understand why you think John J is being greedy? I have tons of respect for you girl and I love your style...but I'm just sayin I can understand his pov. Whats so bad about making twice as much as we do right now? And fyi...some of the top performers on the other site do nothing more but dance naked (tastefully done too) in open chat. To me thats not cheap. I don't feel greedy for wanting to make more. You're one of the top performers on this site Marilyn...I'm going to assume that you have some really loyal guys that consistently spend time with you and you do really well for the amount of time you put in. I have to put in many more hrs to make what you make in an hr though and that gets old after awhile. So I would like to make a little extra for the time I spend in open chat. Like I said in the performer forums...if it was that bad why would so many of the top performers from here venture over to the other side to try it out and some of them staying there permanantly? I guess, the main point I was trying to make was that we (performers) all have different backgrounds. Some of us do this for a little extra money every month while others actually do this full time as their main source of income. I would like to make as much as possible here as this is currently my main source of income and if I was one of the top 5 models on this site or if I was doing this for just a little extra spending money every month, I too, would probably be content with how things are and would not want the change either. Quote

Hi..................I know i'm not a VS programmer or anything. Having said that. I'm just going to throw out a quick stat that might sound cocky but oh well. I've done 2,800 shows here.

But thats not my point.

So I think i'm to the point now where i've done so many shows that I know what customers like. And I know what gets them going. And I know what gets grey users going for the most part. Relatively speaking. And with regards to my chat room. I'm NOT saying i'm the best model here. I am simply throwing out a pretty accurate statistic regarding myself here.

I'll get to the point in a minute, just wait.



So to sum up that first section. I think I might know just a " tad" about how the site operates and just a " tad" also on how to convert grey users and convert members into going " private."


I know how to create a " tease atmosphere" that almost gives the user no option other then to go private to see " more."

And i'm just throwing out all this information for a reason that i'll get to in a second.

So I'm just going to say if I was a programmer at VS. Which i'm not and I know that but we are all giving ideas right? Someone went through and did a little scenario on here many of times.

Well if I was a programmer and we are currently going to implement the " TIPPING"

then.

Directions::

1)* Maximize " TEASE FACTOR"

2)* Minimize " FREE NUDITY"

3) In order to create maximum " TEASE FACTOR" All free nudity has to be hidden, in order to give customer "maximum reason" to tip you to see nudity.

Put VODs on " Pause" meaning take them off the pages but keep them somewhere in case tipping doesn't work out. But it looks like tipping will work.

4) It kind of defeats the purpose to do "tipping" and VODs at the same time i personally believe.
So either "clipping" the VODS or Pausing them would be sufficient.( meaning taking them off models homepages but keeping them somewhere where they can be retrieved)
**
And remember this is just all in my own personal opinion and mind.

5) The main room would be full of greys and BASIC members all looking to see nudity right there. Some rooms will have over 2,400 people in them. The profile pages would stay the same other then one unique rule. No free nudity within personal pictures. Because remember its all about maximizing fantasies and the "tease factor."

6) The customer decides to give you a tip of which the minimum is 205 credits so he/she decides to give you 245 credits to see some nudity, because he is a good customer and he likes the performer...Alot!

7) Performer sees tip. Says " thanks" Proceeds to get nude...... Does whatever the customer wants for a given time determined by the performer. The given time can last anywhere from a minute to a max of only 9mins. If the nudity lasts anymore then 9 mins then the performer is just hurting themselves. Because someone new just showed up to the site willing to give a tip for nudity. But the performer went over the 9min limit and is now giving the new customer who " was" going to give them a tip, a free show. But when customer ends current show. The new customer can always tip to continue to see nudity.


8) A brand new customer named Steve shows up and says to performer that he wants to go to the " Ultra Vip room" So that way just the customer and performer are in the " Ultra vip room"

9) Main room of chatters see a curtain go up. And say wow someone just went to " Ultra vip room"

10) Ultra vip rooms current price is 451 credits just to get in.

11) Then once in ultra vip room, and remember it doesnt have to be called ultra. The customer pays the initial fee but then the room is based on a CPM value of anywhere between 60 credits per min to 80 CPM just to stay in the ultra vip room. .... So then, the customer named Steve decides to leave the regular 60-80 (CPM) credit per minute room after Steve is satisfied with the results of the private show.

(Then... just wait it gets better)

12) Both customer and performer go back to the main room where the greys and members are. And the room starts to fill up again. A series of tippings continue for another hour or so. And then another Ultra Vip room customer shows up and wants to do another Ultra VIP room show.

13) Regular users can tip anywhere from the minimum of 205(( i know thats alot) remember i'm just giving my own personal views of what i would love to see)) to upwards of 2,000 credits in a single press of a button. You keep the higher end that high for the high spenders that like it.

14) Or maybe put the limit at 5,010 credits for the maximum " TIP"

15) This can work.

16) So now the lesson in review. There is a main room and just one Ultra Vip Room where once a customer enters then they go back to paying 60-80 (CPM) credits per min to stay in the ultra vip room. But remember Ultra is 451 credits just to get into. Which is the equivalent of 45 dollars.

So this will give the ones that say they like the model alot something to show the model that they appreciate them so very much. And would love to get to know them more in a Ultra Vip Chat room.

So if the customer likes the model that much then i'm sure they would spend the money to get that one on one experience with the model and without anyone peeping in on your show or anything. But your going to have to pay a hefty sum to get to the Ultra Vip Chat room. Which is going to make the room " unique" and give the room " value."

The credit values might be a bit high but remember this is just my own personal opinion of what I would like to see done.
I keep repeating that. Just so everyone makes sure that they know that this is the general direction that I would love to see "TIPPING" go..
Thanks




John Jay dude, you sure are adamant on the subject of tipping. If it is anywhere near as great as you say on other sites, why are you here? I suspect you are here because this has been a top site in the industry and has distinguished itself from other sites. Seems as though your mind is on over drive as it was when you were posting in every models� threads about how great you were. Just confident? Maybe. Delusional? Probably. Looking at some of your posts, sorry but I can�t read all the dribble in each because I start to laugh to much, I see that you believe a member should pay a certain amount of credits to go into the �vip lounge� and then he can pay whatever CPM as designated. By �vip lounge� you mean private right? So if a member now does not wish to spend credits to go to private because they wish to see something in free, why in the world would they pay a �cover charge� to enter private? Making tip minimum so high to enter for a show makes no sense because for 451 credits at 60CPM a member could have a 7.5 minute private. Personally if I was down to my last 451 credits and wanted to see something from a model, I would take let her know in a whisper and then go private and see there. Makes sense I don�t want to pay for an entire room to see on my dime. So take a deep breath and clear your thoughts. My guess is that you are writing the second a thought enters your head with out thinking the ideas through. Models here work hard enough now that they don�t need to be pestered by a member to show pussy or cock for 20 credits because models x, y and z did. Quote

I'm on record as; I don't like it.
Nonetheless, currently each model has her/his own priciples regarding what they'll do in open chat and it varies from Suggies' Busty Bertha 20 spanking her ass with a stick of celery to models that dont give much of anything away for nothing. That's not going to change.
And I'm not about to "buy into" the theory that if a model doesn't give away the farm for a modest tip they'll lose out. Look, really look at who does the best per min/hour spent online; for the most part, they fall in the not giving much of anything away group. They're sucessful because they've worked hard developing relationships and their online personality and showmanship. No amount of free ass hardened celery sticks or cucumbers covered in pussy juice will ever replace what these models do/know. Quote