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Created by: paperpunch09

9/15/10 @ 12:54pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Have I spent any credits in a party chat? No

Have I done privates since this was implemented? Yes

I think it is a personal decision that each member has to make on their own--do I want to pay for someone to get off on my dime?

My answer to that question was no. If and when I go private I am guaranteed the model's undivided attention and there aren't 50+ people making demands while not tipping.

Each to his own whether it be party chat or private

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Created by: male4622

9/19/10 @ 11:06pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I think Party is starting to fizzle. Many of the chats I have attended have ended quickly.

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Created by: tilden

9/20/10 @ 9:30am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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While I think the Party Chat is a good experiment, it has had (in my observation) one hilarious outcome. It has turned some gold VIP members into Beggars from Hell. I have seen some arrogantly demand a free full nudity show with a "promise" to tip after.

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Created by: justcruzin

9/21/10 @ 3:46am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I broadly agree with the comments here.

The beggars will just get to enjoy free shows paid for by a minority of good customers.

In fact the begging will get worse than it is now. The beggars will now know that a performer can reveal all, if he wants to, as it no longer against the site's rules. Those performers that do not respond in a positive manner will be subject to abuse, something that will inevitably upset them and put off this site's serious visitors.

Another fear I have is that this will just cheapen this site as the beggars and freeloaders will dominate the rooms. The gentle and fun flirting , leading to a private, which we enjoy now, will end. This site will no longer provide a quality entertainment product.

Having said all that, I thank F4F for the opportunity to put forward my view. There are not many businesses that would so generously allow me to do so.

I agree with you here, i don't like this party chat one bit. It seems like your asking the models to do more for less. There are a lot of beggars out there that just want a free show, and smooching off of those who are paying for the model to do something just isn't right. I've started to notice in a room i frequently visit, the model starts getting people who bug him about showing this and showing that, and honestly, it even gets annoying to the other customers that are in the room, little alone the models themselves.

I also noticed that even gray members are able to take a peak into these party chats, but here's a point that may not have crossed your minds, have you thought about whether some of these gray users are under-aged? by doing something like this, wouldn't it end bad for the site if someone ends up filing a law suit for showing something like this to a minor? knowing people, they will do what ever it takes to make a quick buck from just about anything, and sewing seems to be the best choice in this case. I know i may be taking it a little to the extreme with this statement, but seriously think about it. If you want to continue doing this party chat, at the very least only make it viewable to the members and not allow grays, by doing so, it'll entice them to sign up and see what's going on.

These are just my opinions, but at the very least, do consider the notion of not allowing gray users to view these party chats, it may be for the sites best interest.

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Created by: dingle07

9/21/10 @ 11:05am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Super Idea

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Created by: petek

9/28/10 @ 10:08am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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If there are no tips how long is it before the system automatically ends the Party?

Conversely, if there is a tip, does the amount of the tip have any bearing on how long it will be before the Party is automatically ended if no subsequent tips are forthcoming?

I am fully aware that a model can end the Party at any time but if there is a no relationship to the size of the tip and the automatic timeout, where a large tip has been given for a lengthy performance, the system could end the Party before the conclusion.

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Created by: chriscam

9/30/10 @ 2:55pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Party chat is excellent! I see there's quite a lot of resentment to it on this board, but I'll put my opinion forward anyway.

I've been on this sight for a while and taken part in quite a few private shows (short ones though)the reason for this is that PVT is expensive, very expensive (300 credits = �20 = 5 minuets) now that's a pretty expensive wank, and I bet the models themselves receive a fraction of this. Now I can go and watch full quality HD porn a lot cheaper than this, but I know the live thing has it's extra benefits and turn ones and that's why we use the service.

But, since party chat has been available I've found myself visiting the sight much more often and enjoying the experience as well, when a party gets going and the tips are flowing from me as well as others then we all benefit. The models getting his cash, whilst were all sharing the show (and enjoying that part of it). Now of course you'll get a few leechers but that's just part of life.Sometimes I'll leach on a party chat for a minuet and if I'm not finding the model hot (naked or not) then I'll leave.

So to sum up Party chat benefits many, is fun, and a little better value for money as more people atre contributing to the coast of the show. Keep party chat!! (and if a models is really hot then a party will pull me into a P)VT

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Created by: chrisdk

6/10/16 @ 2:12pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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bump hoping to discuss
> greys in party chat
> relaxation of rules about nudity in open chat
5 years after these changes

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Created by: kuzman

6/10/16 @ 11:59pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I agree totally with the majority of people who have posted in the str8 forum regarding this.
Good one Chris!!
Seen this and thought it was a good point about beggars on the site! LOL
Because that's ALL you see on here anymore are the beggars LOL
Peace

I really think if you do this you are just opening up the site to the beggers ,efectively giving them a licence to beg. Its bad enough and annoying to be visiting with a model only to see him/her get so frustrated cos of all the begging and free requests.... I really do not see the thinking here. How you think this will make more for models or the site , it will be the same thing a few members will tip and the rest will sit back and enjoy .

I have seen other sites that allow something similar , but not in open , if for example a member tips for a strip , then he /she gets the strip for a minute or two , but no one else will see it . its a request for a specific mini show paid by a set rate tip.

Anyway I have been on here for many years and seen lots of changes here , some good , some not so much , I do think this one falls into the bad category.

Just my opionin .

Bally

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Created by: kuzman

6/11/16 @ 12:01am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Opps did it wrong!
Good one Chris sure did not stop all the beggars on the site did it?
Cause that's ALL you see on here anymore!! LOL
Seen this a thought about all the beggars on here LOL
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Created by: kuzman

6/11/16 @ 12:05am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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bump hoping to discuss
> greys in party chat
> relaxation of rules about nudity in open chat
5 years after these changes

But to your point Chris
Used to be a blast on here and in Party chat etc. not anymore.
I do not like the grey's in party chat AT ALL
I think it used to be you needed to have creds to get in right?
But good bump see how others feel?

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Created by: chrisdk

6/11/16 @ 3:18pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Good one Chris sure did not stop all the beggars on the site did it?
Cause that's ALL you see on here anymore!! LOL
Seen this a thought about all the beggars on here LOL

[...]

But to your point Chris
Used to be a blast on here and in Party chat etc. not anymore.
I do not like the grey's in party chat AT ALL
I think it used to be you needed to have creds to get in right?
But good bump see how others feel?
:guitar

Yes, thank you for your reply, kuzman, and me, too, I hope to hear more from "the old dogs" (no offence) how they see their experience with party chat etc. has changed over the past few years.

I have never known a time without party chat and I do enjoy this mode with the right performer, but I would wish it would be restricted to users who have the potential to participate ...
Therefore I am amazed to read your line I think it used to be you needed to have creds to get in right?
There have been suggestions in the Male Performer Forum that for convenience I copy directly here:
Performer Kane Boi (Post #5)
http://www.flirt4free.com/forums/threads.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=23315

[.. .] maybe is just because when is party come many members, and they know must to tip, but that don't mean they do, or if do, do just 1-2 guys...but anyway, to stay all day and to jerk...is not good...i think the best thing what the site can do, is to block guys without account to watch in party and these shows to be do just in the party, and why not, to put like ticket about 10 credits for every member which enter in party, is not too much, whith that the member prove have money and can tip the model, i think is like the group show, but is just a ideea...

In a discussion about party and group chat, member ronnie-uk mentioned (Post #152)
http://www.flirt4free.com/forums/threads.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=12805

[ ...]I have just seen another post about non-tippers in party chat. It makes the suggestion that there should be a flat rate (10 or 25 credits) for members to join in a party chat.

That is why group chat was introduced. It is even more flexible now. Performers can even do a party-style group if they want. They could advertise "exclusive party - only 10 credits to join - then tips for show". Not sure if any performers do this...

I have always been a fan of group chat. Much prefer it to party chat :twocents

I think this is an excellent starting point for a discussion, whether greys should be banned from Party mode completely, whether performers should offer "party groups" with a low entry fee and tips inside the show (which I am afraid might be confusing), or if only users with some credits in their wallet can enter a party mode or if parties should have indeed a small fee to enter with the freedom to THEN just watch or tip more etc. etc.

Maybe THIS is the right place for such a discussion, because HERE all members for male and female content read and answer? (what do you think ronnie :winkwink

?) Not sure if performers can come here, though.

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Created by: chrisdk

6/11/16 @ 3:28pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Oh, and on (too much) nudity in open and party chat: :twocents

The problem that arises is with greys AND basic users, who think they have the right to demand nudity in other rooms and on trying to educate those members or asking them to leave, they become offensive, leave bad reviews etc.

It is such members who are even more encouraged by too much nudity in other open chat rooms - and grey users in addition by enjoying party chats for free - who are the problem for all of us: members who DO tip/boost/prvt to have a good time here, performers who DO react on requests that come with an appropriate tip AND last but not least this site who'd prefer to have us all happy and not bothered by rude (in fact ANY type of) requests from people who couldn't make a contribution to the room.

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Created by: twixel

6/11/16 @ 4:59pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: ok92

6/11/16 @ 11:00pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I do enjoy a good party and it has become rare. There is something to be said when the model is having fun, members are enjoying themselves, and tips are flowing making one great evening.
Lately though, it is as others have posted only a few members tipping and keeping the party afloat while many others send requests with no tip to back or become rude and demand because the model is not taking their requests. I have even seen a review posted by a non-tipper about how great looking the model was but was disappointed because someone else tipped 1000 credits and the model did not do anything then went to say he would not tip the model knowing that. He did not tip to begin with and it was a contest night and the tipper was supporting the model, it is tipper's request after all, don't presume.
I have seen a model do a Party Group Chat with entry of 10 credits, lots of fun and ends up being similar to the old parties but time is limited when setting up in group.
I enjoy the parties, I am not one for privates, I come online for fun but that has started to become rare as well.

Lately I've come into my #1's room and the atmosphere is so negative, I leave. Aside from the non-tippers, some higher-tipping members dampen the party atmosphere as well with mean comments. Why tip and be mean? Why be mean at all? I've visited a few other rooms, and models in most of them seem to be struggling. I watched one very well-known model set a 200 credit goal to get naked. The model isn't a favorite of mine, but I felt sad just the same. Am I just too sensitive or is it as Twixel said, "...a good party..has become rare"?

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Created by: kuzman

6/12/16 @ 7:02am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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?) Not sure if performers can come here, though.

Yes Chris, I think this is a great topic!
What I meant about party chat used to be a blast was that there wer a lot of members tipping and chatting and having a good time!!
Model was happy members were happy and there seemed to be ALOT more members in party like 200 users and more?
And you would get to know people from all over the world also!

Yes I do seem to remember you had to have credits to get into the party chat in the first place!!!???
Cause I thought if you tries to click on a models room who was in party chat and you did not have creds a pop up window would appear and say you need creds to enter the room?

I agree a party chat with a right performer can be a great time,
but, remember models are here to make money also!

I was in a what I like to call a old school party chat because I am old school member lol
Anyway there were 117 users in her party and I was the ONLY one tipper her??
But I kept going and spent about 2000 creds with her anyway but it was sad to see me only tipping her?
It was a lot of fun but I find myself not doing that much anymore because I do not like to spend that much in party chat when no on else is tipping but the beggars are demanding her to do something for them???
it's just really rude to me that they do that but what do I know lol???

There used to be a performer on here she is no longer on here but she would start to ban people who were just sitting there in party chat and just getting a freebe not ban them for life maybe a day or 2 but that seemed to work really well!!
and more people would start tipping and we ALL had a good time!!
But I know today models are afraid to ban people in fear of losing customers??
But I say these beggars and never going to get creds anyway??? lol

Anyways I find myself NOT buying as much creds anymore because it's not fun anymore in party chat!!
I find myself doing privates more often cause get to be with y favs and have some fun with her
But,i do kind of miss those old school party chats.

I do like the idea of maybe a 25 creds entry fee to get into a party chat cause the very least the model get's some creds for their time and maybe more members will tip and we ALL have a great time!!
But I think the party chat is really a waste of time anymore on here anymore because I agree with some of the post on here that a good party chat is VERY rare on here anymore!
peace

I

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Created by: kuzman

6/12/16 @ 7:11am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I do enjoy a good party and it has become rare. There is something to be said when the model is having fun, members are enjoying themselves, and tips are flowing making one great evening.
Lately though, it is as others have posted only a few members tipping and keeping the party afloat while many others send requests with no tip to back or become rude and demand because the model is not taking their requests. I have even seen a review posted by a non-tipper about how great looking the model was but was disappointed because someone else tipped 1000 credits and the model did not do anything then went to say he would not tip the model knowing that. He did not tip to begin with and it was a contest night and the tipper was supporting the model, it is tipper's request after all, don't presume.
I have seen a model do a Party Group Chat with entry of 10 credits, lots of fun and ends up being similar to the old parties but time is limited when setting up in group.
I enjoy the parties, I am not one for privates, I come online for fun but that has started to become rare as well.

Good post Twix!
I agree like to come online and have some fun fun fun
I like the idea of 10 creds to get into party chat also
Something to be different then what is going on now because just tired of ALL the beggars and no tips lol!
Maybe a option to block out the new basic users in white just like you can block out the greys???
I even find now that I can go into many performers rooms and not even get a Hello anymore?
I am not talking about the auto bot hello's and real hello lol!
Well thnx for letting me vent!
Like to see what happens on this topic very good one I think!!

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Created by: kuzman

6/12/16 @ 7:18am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Lately I've come into my #1's room and the atmosphere is so negative, I leave. Aside from the non-tippers, some higher-tipping members dampen the party atmosphere as well with mean comments. Why tip and be mean? Why be mean at all? I've visited a few other rooms, and models in most of them seem to be struggling. I watched one very well-known model set a 200 credit goal to get naked. The model isn't a favorite of mine, but I felt sad just the same. Am I just too sensitive or is it as Twixel said, "...a good party..has become rare"?

I agree Ok
I feel sad when the model is just sitting there and no tips coming in
But like I said before I will not tip and no one else is!!
The models work very hard on here and they have to meet certain goals also!
I try and tip a few to see what happens but lately not much does??
sad

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Created by: chrisdk

6/14/16 @ 5:50am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Yes I do seem to remember you had to have credits to get into the party chat in the first place!!!???
Cause I thought if you tries to click on a models room who was in party chat and you did not have creds a pop up window would appear and say you need creds to enter the room?

Sounds like the right thing to do this! Why was it changed in the first place? Clearly greys and basics KNOW what's going on behind the curtains ... the question is how badly they want to see it and be a part of it and THEN they decide for a premium membership. But who's in, is in ...

I was in a what I like to call a old school party chat because I am old school member lol
Anyway there were 117 users in her party and I was the ONLY one tipper her??
But I kept going and spent about 2000 creds with her anyway but it was sad to see me only tipping her?
It was a lot of fun but I find myself not doing that much anymore because I do not like to spend that much in party chat when no on else is tipping but the beggars are demanding her to do something for them???
it's just really rude to me that they do that but what do I know lol???

I have made similar experiences, loved the first performer I was with and got crazy in the party chats. Took me a while to notice I was the only supporter and that kinda made me afraid of parties all along.
But there is a completely different dynamic in group shows ... and now I am with a performer who's giving great parties and I am enjoying it all over again, BUT I'm much more aware of how many viewers are in the room and how many of them tip ... gets me thinking every time.

I do like the idea of maybe a 25 creds entry fee to get into a party chat cause the very least the model get's some creds for their time and maybe more members will tip and we ALL have a great time!!
I agree, this would keep the dynamics of a party chat, people who watch would have made at least a minimum contribution ... then I think I would not mind if they sat back and kept "just watching" the rest of it. :bulb

I like the idea of 10 creds to get into party chat also
Something to be different then what is going on now because just tired of ALL the beggars and no tips lol!
Maybe a option to block out the new basic users in white just like you can block out the greys???
This would definitely keep these two "customer types" out (that they are considered customers is ridiculous!). With the "basic" type, some greys just sign up to not being told all the time to do so and to be able to watch unlimited what's going on here ... I dare say they will never make the step towards buying credits at all, they only need to roam the rooms for their cheap thrills. :mad

But like I said before I will not tip and no one else is!!
See, and I bet you are not the only one feeling like this. Parties are way more fun, when all (well most) visitors in the room participate and this is more likely to happen, when we keep those free-riders out, who - in the worst case - constantly make demands and become rude when they are ignored or asked to tip or leave etc.

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Created by: alberich

6/14/16 @ 10:49am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Sounds like the right thing to do this! Why was it changed in the first place? Clearly greys and basics KNOW what's going on behind the curtains ... the question is how badly they want to see it and be a part of it and THEN they decide for a premium membership. But who's in, is in ...

I was in a what I like to call a old school party chat because I am old school member lol
Anyway there were 117 users in her party and I was the ONLY one tipper her??
But I kept going and spent about 2000 creds with her anyway but it was sad to see me only tipping her?
It was a lot of fun but I find myself not doing that much anymore because I do not like to spend that much in party chat when no on else is tipping but the beggars are demanding her to do something for them???
it's just really rude to me that they do that but what do I know lol???

I have made similar experiences, loved the first performer I was with and got crazy in the party chats. Took me a while to notice I was the only supporter and that kinda made me afraid of parties all along.
But there is a completely different dynamic in group shows ... and now I am with a performer who's giving great parties and I am enjoying it all over again, BUT I'm much more aware of how many viewers are in the room and how many of them tip ... gets me thinking every time.

What will be the difference between party chat and group in case you have to pay an entry fee ?
I don't like party for "one tips and many jerk" reason too - but making party same as group can't be the solution.
I can't tip always - as for many members, my stock is limited, unfortunatelly.
Do I have to leave room just for having spent all my credits in a pvt before party started and I don't have the 10 or 25 or 100 or 1000 credits left you need to enter party ?

It's up to the model to chose the way they rule their room.

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