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Created by: suggs

8/31/10 @ 2:21pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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This thread is get feedback regarding the tipping shows......

And the previous 2 posters were I feel raising a valid issue -- now instead of people that record the vods when they watch them to distribute on various adult video sharing sites - they will simply sit in a Party chat room and record their whole time in the room and then crop out the 'Action' and post costing them nothing and costing the performers the extra from purchase of vods / pvts.

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8/31/10 @ 2:42pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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And the previous 2 posters were I feel raising a valid issue -- now instead of people that record the vods when they watch them to distribute on various adult video sharing sites - they will simply sit in a Party chat room and record their whole time in the room and then crop out the 'Action' and post costing them nothing and costing the performers the extra from purchase of vods / pvts.

Actually Suggs the individuals recording shows aren't recording from the VOD area at all for the most part. Some models here don't have VOD's and their videos are out there. Others that may have an "OWL" in their room don't have any videos of their privates on the net whatsoever :bulb

Like carousel has said. The technology is out there to record models/shows. But what I've always stated is that it is extremely weird how certain models are recorded and nothing is done about it. Others are sometimes captured and deleted from these sharing/porn sites immediately. I just found four other sites today that have one of flirts top model's on every single one of them.

Why does this site not have the security to protect their models ? If they want to have models recorded for VOD purposes they'd better get a better way of protecting their interests and the privacy of their performers !!!

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Created by: sweetchilli

8/31/10 @ 7:16pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Would it be possible to make it so you have to have credits on your account to enter a party chat room?

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Created by: carousel

8/31/10 @ 7:56pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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and maybe add a 300 second mandatory cover tip or you're redirected
with a little flashing and clicking count-down Icon right in the middle of the screen to boot:-))))

try giving orders to the model and wanking for free or on somebody else's buck with that thing hanging in your face ...

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Created by: arelkas_bastard

8/31/10 @ 11:28pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Why does this site not have the security to protect their models ? If they want to have models recorded for VOD purposes they'd better get a better way of protecting their interests and the privacy of their performers !!!

I've received bunch of links from models through the time I've been here because they found materials of them and they could access it from their countries, really pisses me off when they come at me freaking out and nothing much I could do. And things get even harder when who should care about it, about the models, is too busy making up new crap to make the site "better. Miss the times when site used to make justice to it's name, because since then hasn't been much about "4 Free" and little by little the "Flirt" part is losing it's meaning too because here it's all about the benjis and period.Like it or not I'll keep it real, people complaining about my whinnings or not.

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Created by: dejanew

9/1/10 @ 1:08am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Would it be possible to make it so you have to have credits on your account to enter a party chat room?

and maybe add a 300 second mandatory cover tip or you're redirected
with a little flashing and clicking count-down Icon right in the middle of the screen to boot:-))))

I think it's pretty safe to say Flirt implemented these changes to compete with a couple other sites out there that employ the same tip-for-show template. They devised a new type of system that competes with that template, while still offering models the chance to opt out. So far customers are up in all the party rooms at levels not seen outside of a few feature shows, and some of those people who may have strayed to a site using the tip template are back now because they get their favorite Flirt model and a tipping system they like. Some of the models have even come back.

If you start devising all kinds of restrictions to levy on these party rooms, then they lose their competitiveness. The restrictions make the whole system prohibitive, and the people that left Flirt originally will retrogress to the more accessible systems and their models. People deciding if they want to sign up and become customers will no doubt react negatively to room-access restrictions and obtrusive flashing advertisements trying to bully their decision process. They'll gravitate to other sites without them.

Sales are about numbers. You seem to have a problem with the subset of people who now get a free show through others contributing to a tip goal. Well, with more people in the rooms that subset will increase, yes. But so, too, will the group of people who spend, and you never know who/what might catch a person's attention and spur them into buying credits and becoming spenders themselves. What you do know for certain though is that if you make the system restrictions too tight here, then that transformation from viewer to participant won't happen on Flirt.

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Created by: sweetchilli

9/1/10 @ 1:28am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I fully understand that its a business and agree that the new feature is generating new customers but that doesn't change the fact that sitting in party chat it is the same people tipping.
Talking with models they already think the novelty is wearing off and are now having to go into party chat not because they necessarily want to but because if they don't then they have no one in their room. I have even joked with models about watching the number of people in their rooms rapidly climb and decrease when flicking party chat on and off.

I don't see how having to buy credits to enter party chat restricts anyone other than those with no credits unwilling to pay. If you want to see if a model is worthwhile then talk to them when in regular chat like we all have.

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Created by: dejanew

9/1/10 @ 1:45am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I don't see how having to buy credits to enter party chat restricts anyone other than those with no credits unwilling to pay.

I thought I just made it abundantly clear that's exactly who you restrict, and exactly the wrong move. How do you determine who is "unwilling to pay" and "undecided on whether to pay yet"? You can't. Nor can you tell when they will flip from one to the other (and there are many new tippers, not always the same ones.)

It's why grey users have been returned to premiere chat rooms: you do not shut out potential new customers if you want to thrive.

You also realize of course if there was a no-credit restriction then you wouldn't have been able to go around to the models and conduct your little polls? Perhaps your goal is to ruin the system to the point where it will be taken out and the site goes back to dying a slow death for failing to stay competitive, I don't know. You didn't even wait 5 hours after the new system was adopted to blast it in multiple posts here in the forums. I think it's pretty apparent you've hated it from the start, but I have to wonder just how much damage you've done in poisoning models who've discussed or read your negativity.

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Created by: sweetchilli

9/1/10 @ 2:20am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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excuse I can conduct my little poll because I talk to models in their regular chat and also because I have credits so having a restriction wouldn't limit me at all.

I was opposed to this idea from the start for the very reason i am still opposed to it, A whole bunch of freeloaders getting off while others tip.

You say that you don't turn off new customers by restricting them but how do these new customers contribute to the site if they don't have credits?
and I got to know models by talking with them in regular chat not by watching them cum in a party chat room where I don't talk or tip but just sit there jerking off.

If I do talk to a model about my views on party chat I am extremely respectful and never judge or harass the model for using it. I simply state the problems I have with it and ask their opinions. In fact one of the models I spoke to just posted above yours agreeing with my thoughts.

I love how my negative thoughts on the idea can sway and influence a models opinion but your positive views of course have no effect right.
Maybe that could have something to do with the respect I show by talking to them as people not a pair of tits and a pussy like your beloved new customers.

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Created by: dejanew

9/1/10 @ 2:49am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Maybe that could have something to do with the respect I show by talking to them as people not a pair of tits and a pussy like your beloved new customers.

So now you presume to speak for an entire subset of people, i.e. all the new customers? You know how all of them feel, and fancy yourself the only peson capable of recognizing a model as a person?

I'm done discussing this with you then.

You admit you've been biased against this system from the beginning, have obstinately clung to that opinion, dissuaded who knows how many models from pursuing a new revenue stream by imparting that opposition, and now generalize the perceptions of an entire group of people to aggrandize your own role.

I have no desire to continue combatting that kind of selfish close-mindedness. I bid you good day sir.

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Created by: sweetchilli

9/1/10 @ 3:02am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I don't speak for anyone but myself and have not forced my opinions on anyone and only state how I feel. How a model takes those opinions is up to them not me.

i am simply stating how I feel about freeloaders and lurkers, because those buying credits and tipping don't fall into that category I am against do they.

I highly doubt my opinion sways a model from trying party chat, maybe you should respect a models personal choices more instead of looking for me to blame for having a different opinion of yours.

I'm still not sure how me wanting more people to tip and not get off for free is selfish and inconsiderate for a model. You are making generalized opinions about the type of person I am based on this rather than knowing how I treat the models or other people on this site.

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Created by: jelly420

9/1/10 @ 3:08am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I think that Party Chat is one of the better ideas that has been rolled out in a while. While understanding all points already raised, not necessarily agreeing with all of them, it should be noted that the models who are using Party Chat are probably attracting more customers of all colours, some of whom may be buying time, others, like me, who already have an account realizing that there's other fish in the sea, and not just your favourites. Does that make me a little narrow minded? Probably, but whatever......

I see this more of a benefit to those who aren't in the upper echelon of models, looking to make more money.

Does that mean I think that this has no benefit to those in, say the Top 4%? No. The models in the top 4% or whatever have their dedicated fans who will support them, no matter the cpm it'll cost and the customer and model both know what to expect, for the most part. For all we know, the next big spender could be a grey member trying to find the right model, male or female. The likelyhood of that happened? I'm not holding my breath, but you never know...

Does that mean I'll take more models into a private show? I would, if I could afford it, however, 90+cpm is a lot of money for one model, never mind doing the same for multiple models. Based on the party chats I've been in, I'd have to say, even though it was just a little preview, that they're worth it.

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9/1/10 @ 5:14am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Created by: jonny.bravo

9/1/10 @ 1:45pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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BEEING VERY SAD about party chat ,the guys not apreciate that party chat and we cant explain them that if we dont get Tip in 10 min we gonna be kicked... its sad that only few take it as real fun others just wait what they see all for free..... Me thought it will be alot of fun.but its not at all....

Once they see that the Party Chat concept works, the 10 min will go away I m sure. But its not all that bad it perhaps pushes you forward to become a better performer. Although I don't think I wouldn't be that happy or relaxed if I had 10 min limit no matter what I would be selling on the net. You can always stay at pvts, Pvt won't go away it will be less but if someone wants to escape the chaotic Party Chat pvt will be the way to go for them. it perhaps will kill the group shows but than again maybe not. Give it a time, learn from other models see how they cope with this situation see what "tricks" they use (make notes while you at it)and im sure you will find it gives good $ after all. Party chat is a bit like going to a strip club, the man go wild spend $ till they drop its a good concept for making $. Had it not been for the fact that so many models chose to work on the sites that give such open chat shows, this change would not been needed here.

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d luck to all girls out here to adapt to this new situation :thumbsup

im sure guys will give ya a helping hand with it. :evil

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Created by: Brandon Haze

9/1/10 @ 3:57pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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You are pretty damn gorgeous, is there any way for models to chat with one another?

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Created by: amicu

9/1/10 @ 7:15pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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You are pretty damn gorgeous, is there any way for models to chat with one another?

Just a thought, but, perhaps, collect a ticket, get to the back of the line and register like the rest of us?

Otherwise we'd all be cam boys too if it were an inside track to chatting with the female performers

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Created by: Shay Simone

9/1/10 @ 9:48pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Just a thought, but, perhaps, collect a ticket, get to the back of the line and register like the rest of us?

Otherwise we'd all be cam boys too if it were an inside track to chatting with the female performers

LMAO

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Created by: purgatory

9/1/10 @ 10:04pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Otherwise we'd all be cam boys too if it were an inside track to chatting with the female performers

Amicu you cam boy... ? I'm scared.... :orglaugh

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Yes have to say i'm seeing a lot of the male models recently going into female rooms and spamming the females chat with come see me i'm online and most don't give up till the female model goes to visit.. Also had a few female models asking me why they don't block models from the male site from entering the female part of the site and vice versa. Well I know some are customers and this would be unfair but the spammers from each part of the site need to be filtered out and maybe have their customer accounts suspended if caught upsetting models from either section.

One model I know well on here is really tired of it and well maybe now with the site updates she will just ban them and not have to listen to the silly whispers anymore.

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Created by: Cameron Knight

9/2/10 @ 12:01am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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You are pretty damn gorgeous, is there any way for models to chat with one another?

bahaha i love the comments you go for that ;)

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