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Created by: arelkas_bastard

8/29/10 @ 11:20am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I feel that I must chip in my :twocents

on the Party Chat idea. Overnight, f4f became a strip club. And like strip clubs, tips and money are everything.

couldn't agree more :thumbsup

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Created by: easyfellow

8/29/10 @ 11:56am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I feel that I must chip in my :twocents

on the Party Chat idea. Overnight, f4f became a strip club. And like strip clubs, tips and money are everything.

I don't know if you have noticed already, but this website always has been an equivalent for a strip club.
The plan behind setting up a website like this, was to bring the strip club at people's home.
It never has been set up as a social talking club or an old ladies knitting club.

(Not that i don't like social talking, but it's a bonus here)

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Created by: Alexis Lee

8/29/10 @ 12:02pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Created by: easyfellow

8/29/10 @ 12:21pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Yeah, cause they're forcing you guys to enter Party Chat rooms....a lot of models you will never see in Party Chat. If you don't want to enter my Party Chat you don't have to....but we sure did have fun yesterday, and thats why I'm here. I would rock it at a strip club and make bank...at least I wouldn't have to fuck myself with toys and hear "cum bitch" at a strip club, but at the same time, I don't want to be face to face with nasty, sweaty, drunk guys. Thats why I love what I do right now and its in the privacy of my own home. So for me, the Party Chat works, but I'll be switching back and forth between Premiere and Party.

I can imagine, that you prefer the work here, above the real stuff in the real strip clubs. Drunken sailors, drunken students and drunken people at bachelor parties are not the best people to meet face to face.

I have seen a few different "tactics" in party shows. Some models want a limit of tips before they show anyting. Others are naked from the start and are harvesting their tips that way.
Most party-models don't have partytime continuous, but change to regular chat from time to time.
There is more variation now and only time can tell if the new feature will be a succes or not.

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Created by: paperpunch09

8/29/10 @ 12:21pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Seems like the non tippers are making the most demands when someone else tips thus drowning out the tipper's request if they make one

Also, I have seen members come in a party room and say go see (Model's name here)party chat they are doing (fill in the blank)

I know there were members promoting models in other models rooms before party chat so its nothing new and its gonna happen

I agree w/ Alexis no one is forcing you to enter party chat in fact on day one I was in a party chat for a while but left because I wanted to escape the madness/chaos. I went to a non party chat room and chatted with a model and wound up leaving a review to draw people to the room.

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Created by: mydyingbride

8/29/10 @ 1:56pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: spar

8/29/10 @ 2:58pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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don't know how they say that we are not forced to be in party rooms when i get redirected to rooms all the time

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Created by: carousel

8/29/10 @ 3:26pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Yeah, cause they're forcing you guys to enter Party Chat rooms....a lot of models you will never see in Party Chat. If you don't want to enter my Party Chat you don't have to....but we sure did have fun yesterday, and thats why I'm here. I would rock it at a strip club and make bank...at least I wouldn't have to fuck myself with toys and hear "cum bitch" at a strip club, but at the same time, I don't want to be face to face with nasty, sweaty, drunk guys. Thats why I love what I do right now and its in the privacy of my own home. So for me, the Party Chat works, but I'll be switching back and forth between Premiere and Party.

Alexis has the 'it' and personality it takes to make party chat work very well for her, others simply dont. They'll give it their best shot and not be all that sucessful. Still other models, that have been in the industry for a good while, realize it just isnt them.
One should be able to fully understand and appreciate the difficulties this creates for those models: they're going to take a hit. The concern, and rightfully so, is, will they be able to withstand the hit and then, at some point, sustain earnings on par with where they were before party chat began.
Though their fans will continue to support their favorite model(s) no matter what mode they choose to perform in, that 20% increase in membership Brad mentioned clearly indicates most would rather participate in party chat with a gorgeous hottie like Alexis than go private for 60, 80, or 100 CPM. Though I'm not sure I necessarily like it (for reasons Alexis mentions), I dont have a huge problem with it, but I feel for the models that party chat just doesnt suit.

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Created by: gingerpubes

8/29/10 @ 5:35pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Anything that helps "ALL" the models to compete on a more level playing field and "ALL" have the same opportunities to earn a greater share of the financial rewards here are a great idea :thumbsup

So party chat gets my seal of approval for this reason :drinkup

Concerning the whisper chat topic.I accept and understand everyone`s opinion on this subject,but to those who support the whisper chat option i would say this...

Why not remove whisper chat and instead replace it with a private messenger chat option between members and models?
If the models wants to reply to the private message,then at least her replies wont pop up in her chatroom and confuse the conversations there.

So you can still chat to the model about what you would like in private or whatever you want to discuss with her,but its done in a way without causing interference to the models chat room.

The current format for whisper chat is a waste of time in my opinion.."whisperer recieving a non-whispered reply"..and i think it would be another positive step forward by replacing it with a private messaging format.

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Created by: bigdintx37

8/30/10 @ 1:46am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I think tipping is a great idea. look how successful it has worked for other sites and plus it adds a new element to the entertainment. The way I see it all these sites, including this one, are kinda like virtual cyber strip clubs and to me its the next best thing to going to a real strip club.

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Created by: Alexis Hughes

8/30/10 @ 5:31am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Also I think the gift tip in the chat rooms the gift box really needs to be changed to TIP and called TIP so this way does not confuse people to what it is and larger sums need to be added or a feature where you can type in a sum you want to tip.

Will add more later, bit busy at moment, but wanted to pass on these ideas.

Regards

Nabil

Disagree..... I think a tip should not be called a tip if the model isnt really getting the "tip"
the model used to get decent real tips where they would keep about 90%
now the word tip has changed, and the model MAY get 25%(hypothetically)

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Created by: purgatory

8/30/10 @ 5:52am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Disagree..... I think a tip should not be called a tip if the model isnt really getting the "tip"
the model used to get decent real tips where they would keep about 90%
now the word tip has changed, and the model MAY get 25%(hypothetically)

Well I don't know any site that says TIP and gives 100% to the performer.. as you know Alexis Hughes the percentage of the gift/tips is same as what you earn in private and the new TIP in open feature is basically a private in open room. So nothing has changed really, performers are still getting the same percentages they were getting when agreeing to work here and that's really something the performers need to take up with their studios that pay them the agreed percentages.

Anyway the open room TIP is now used and still a gift box icon next to it. The reason I said the word TIP needs to be there is because most models that work other sites call it TIP and most customers that visit this form of site know it as TIP too, it was to stop the confusion in open room that I was seeing on a daily basis and seems to have worked now.

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Created by: derek99

8/30/10 @ 7:43am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I haven't found it confusing not having the word "TIP" with the gift box in open chat before. It is helpful having it there for people, who don't know what it is, especially, for people, who haven't been on, and with the website here for that long. :thumbsup

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Created by: alberich

8/30/10 @ 11:30am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Well I don't know any site that says TIP and gives 100% to the performer.. as you know Alexis Hughes the percentage of the gift/tips is same as what you earn in private and the new TIP in open feature is basically a private in open room. So nothing has changed really, performers are still getting the same percentages they were getting when agreeing to work here and that's really something the performers need to take up with their studios that pay them the agreed percentages.

Well the "real dollar tips" - the ones you could give for a PVT-show, is announced to be replaced by "credit tips" - to tip now I need to buy new credits (as I never manage to have some credits left after PVT) - and this tip will probably go into her score, what means VS will get a cut of this (it's business afterall). Real dollar tips where given almost completely to the model (substracting only a small service fee). And like in a restaurant - I like tipping for great service - but then I tip the service.
I haven't checked the "PVT-tip" so far as I mostly gifted (tipped) in open rooms in last time (rarely in party rooms as I prefer the standard rooms - � chacun son go�t).
But as I know from former times many members didn't know about the "old" tipping option.
However I agree to Purg - often members got confused with gifts/tips - so naming it tip will stop confusion

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Created by: paperpunch09

8/30/10 @ 11:54am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Are they eliminating the cash tip option in private and going only to the credit tipping? I'm confused by this and would like some clarification.

I like the cash tipping in private especially when everything comes together to make a hot show and I want to give the model something extra for their work.

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Created by: derek99

8/30/10 @ 3:59pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I like the "cash tip" in private because the models get most of the money they make from that :thumbsup

. I hope that won't be replaced into a "credit tip", too.

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Created by: jonny.bravo

8/30/10 @ 4:32pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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There is one more aspect to consider in all this and that is the privacy of the performer. During a Party Chat there are many viewers at the same time. Should one of the viewers decide to record the show and share it with other on some other network, there is no possibility of tracing who recorded the show. But this is also the case in group shows and the vods, most of performers don't seam to be bothered by it so perhaps this is not a big deal at all.

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Created by: carousel

8/30/10 @ 10:09pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Party Chat is the least of the issue:
There are 'members' with advance hi-tech enough equipment that record, edit, and distribute unshared shows that aren't even theirs.

We actually have someone on staff whose job it is to get those removed so please send the links to our support department if/when you come across them.

Brad

This doesn't even address Mr Squirrel and his distribution of 100's of pics.

And yes, I know its :offtopic

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Created by: slippery_pete

8/30/10 @ 10:18pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Party Chat is the least of the issue:
There are 'members' with advance hi-tech enough equipment that record, edit, and distribute unshared shows that aren't even theirs.

So why is Owl still allowed to be in rooms?

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Created by: Alexis Lee

8/31/10 @ 12:17am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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